Piccolo Me on Beyond The Pass

Meet the Family Behind the Cafe Empire

The El Hachems have aspirations to “Piccolo the world”, and if they could play nice with the French, they might actually do it.

How many locations again?

45 and counting

How many times did they go off-script?

Approximately 45 times

How many times was somebody hand-fed?

You’re not gonna believe this (people, the answer is always 45!)

Family-owned cafe chain located, well, almost everywhere!

As soon as you meet the El Hachems, their energy envelopes you (in my case, literally) and it’s clear to see that they have what it takes to keep going. The love for what they do shines through, a type that only comes from the fulfilment of doing something you’re truly passionate about.

It’s equal parts exhausting and invigorating, and I get the feeling that they’ve only just begun.















Piccolo Me x Beyond The Pass Greatest Hits

Don't have time to watch a full episode? Take in the highlights instead!

Hospo lifers

"It just drags you in."

We discuss the other-worldly pull of the hospitality industry.

From France, with hate

"And the worst thing is he's actually proud of his creation!"

Roy smiles wide as he talks about his most-hated creation.

Graeme gets back on the tools

"Smells like the hangover's gonna be gone."

What happens to COGS when Graeme isn’t the one paying.

Papa Piccolo!

"If you don't lick your finger, there's some problem."

Hand-fed by a father in front of his adult children and a film crew.

France is missing out

***Wheezing eating noises***

French people don't know anything about food.

How has the cafe industry changed since you first started working with your dad?

Charlie: When we went from Western Sydney or like, you know those old school cafes into the CBD where it's all about crema, it's all about latte art. Dad's like “Why do we need four baristas on the coffee machine?” You know “I used to do this by myself!”

And what about the founding values of Piccolo Me? Is there something that kind of drags you back to your roots?

Charlie: Dad keeps us real, keeps us honest. He’s hardworking. You always see him around one of our stores cleaning, fixing. He really doesn't need to work. But he does it out of love. And that is what keeps us real, keeps us humble and it keeps us pushing to be better.

What type of things do you do to keep Piccolo Me ahead of other cafes?

Charlie: So in our office, we have this whiteboard, and this whiteboard was in Roy's bedroom. So this guy would go to sleep, wake up in the middle of the night. On the whiteboard, draw the idea, go to sleep and that's how a lot of the viral things came.

Roy: I think it helped that I didn't have any food education, so I didn't think like a chef.

What’s next? More franchises?

Roy: We look for the franchisee with the biggest heart, not the biggest wallet.

Charlie: If they’ve got that little bit of a spark, we want to come in with our systems and help them grow and fast track them on their journeys.

Roy: It’s not about waiting for the right time, it’s about making the right time.

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Full transcript

Full transcript

For some people, a life in hospitality isn't a choice,
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it’s more of a calling that they can't ignore.
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And for Roy and Charlie El Hachem
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and their dad Harry,
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as soon as you meet them
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you can tell that hospitality is in their blood.
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I’m here at their Auburn location
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which is number 43 of 45,
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to see how they were capable
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of such staggering growth.
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This is Beyond The Pass.
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Good morning, fellas.
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Come here!
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So how did the idea for Piccolo Me come around?
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So it comes to our first location.
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It was pretty small.
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Piccolo was our favourite drink as well,
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so we we're like
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“How can we kind of do a play on words here?”
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Piccolo being ‘small’ in Italian.
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First location being small.
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And the ‘me’ part came about us.
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We really just wanted to create a place
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where we just had fun, show to everyone
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what we love doing.
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And to be honest, Roy is like the real creative
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one in the family.
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Roy makes the money
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and I'm the one that spends it
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We got that on camera, right?
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Because I want to remember this
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for years to come, right.
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We got that.
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We were like, one of the first, cafes in the city
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that was mainstream selling Piccolo's.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Every like lunchtime
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at one of our restaurants in the city,
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everyone would come at lunchtime
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and have a piccolo with us
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and we wouldn't charge them for it
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but it was just a way to break bread, I guess.
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When we went from Western Sydney or like,
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you know those old school cafes into the CBD
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where it's all about crema,
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it's all about latte art.
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Dad's like
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“Why do we need four baristas on the coffee machine?”
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You know?
1:20
“I used to do this by myself!”
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So tell me about growing up in hospo.
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It's kind of a family tradition.
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Yeah, so my earliest memories was growing up in Dad’s
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donut shop.
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That's my dad.
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Heyyyyy!
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Welcome to the family!
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Dad came to Australia with pretty much nothing.
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And he threw himself into hospitality.
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To be honest,
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I've studied I've done all the things
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that we were supposed to do.
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What our parents wanted us to do.
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Me and Roy found ourselves back into the game
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and we haven't looked back.
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It just drags you in, doesn't it?
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Yeah, there's a pull.
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There's something about it
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that once you're in it, you can't get out.
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Look at these grey hairs.
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I'm only 21. Same, same.
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Look at us teenagers.
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And what were like,
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the founding values of Piccolo Me?
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Is there something that kind of drags
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you back to your roots?
2:05
Dad keeps us real, keeps us honest.
2:08
He’s hard working.
2:09
You always see him around one of our stores
2:10
cleaning, fixing.
2:12
He really doesn't need to work.
2:13
But he does it out of love.
2:15
And that is what keeps us real, keeps us humble
2:17
and it keeps us pushing to be better.
2:19
What was the most viral thing that you created?
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So in our office, we have this whiteboard.
2:24
And this whiteboard was in Roy's bedroom.
2:26
So this guy would go to sleep,
2:28
wake up in the middle of the night,
2:30
on the whiteboard, draw the idea, go to sleep
2:32
and that's how a lot of the viral things came.
2:35
I think it helped that
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I didn't have any food education.
2:38
So I didn't think like a chef,
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like so a cheeseburger croissant
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for example, a chef wouldn't be doing that.
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So I think probably the cheeseburger croissant
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was like our point of...
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...of Grace.
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We got like a lot of hate mail.
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We made the international media.
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So we actually had people from France
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emailing us and messaging us.
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“Sacrilegious! How dare you
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put this meat on our croissant?”
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And they got a photo of Roy like his smile.
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His big cheesy smile.
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They're like “Who the hell is this Australian?
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What does he think he’s doing to our croissant?”
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And they were like “And the worst thing about it is he's
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actually proud of his creation!”
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Great.
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It was that and probably...
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so we created a Nutella fried ice cream.
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So we went viral for doing a little small ball.
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Then obviously I went a bit overboard
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and created the world's largest one kilo fried cream ball.
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And then I actually made a competition out of it.
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So I had a challenge where someone would come in
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and finish it within ten minutes and have a shake—
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Has anyone finish the one kilo ice cream?
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Oh, heaps.
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And they finished it in I think about one minute.
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We lost a sh*tload of money on that.
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Yeah, it wasn’t good.
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Should we go in and make
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some of your creations, then?
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Yeah, I think we should.
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You have to try our fries.
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Our fries are amazing.
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You're the chef for the day.
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Look out.
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Let’s start with some bacon.
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Hashbrown?
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We’ll do a hashbrown now, yeah.
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Egg.
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We have a bun ready for you there.
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It smells like the hangover is going to be gone.
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Zero hangover after this.
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Oi, Roy, Charlie get a move on.
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Chop chop.
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What are you guys having?
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Mate, we gonna have a bit of everything today.
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But before we start
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I think we can’t have family lunch without out father.
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Harry, come on in mate!
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Papa Piccolo!
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Harry, what's your favourite thing?
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The chips.
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The fries.
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Let Graeme try the fries Harry.
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Have you tried that fry?
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I haven't.
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You have to eat it
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and you have to lick your finger.
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If you don’t lick your finger,
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there's some problem. Okay, let me feed you.
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That’s poetry in motion, my friend.
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Graeme, we saw you in the kitchen.
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What did you get up to today?
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I made my version of
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your hangover roll
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with probably three times the ingredients
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so the cogs on this one are going to be...
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they’re not going to be good for you business-wise.
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Where do I start?
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Oh, where's my bite?
5:02
Oh, yeah!
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Oh, we made the cheeseburger croissant.
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You gotta give this a go.
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*cheers*
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How do you like them apples?
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Have some fries! Have some drinks!
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And that's what hospitality is all about.
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Breaking bread together.
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What do you guys think the future holds more franchises?
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Yeah, more franchised.
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Definitely international expansion for us is on the cards.
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We need to piccolo the world.
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We're going to be looking at
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finding entrepreneurs and founders.
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If they've got that little bit of spark,
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we want to come in with our systems
5:35
and help them grow and fast track them on their journeys.
5:37
You know, speaking about what we do
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also reminds us why we came into the business.
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And how proud we are of our journey
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to get where we are today
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and not giving up and resilient.
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And is just pretty much the tip of the iceberg.
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And we love Dad.
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And we love our Papa Piccolo.
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Thanks.